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Traveller-digest      Monday, November 8 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1325<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Academic Adventure Seeds<BR>
Re: [OT] Software Request <BR>
Fiery is (finally) complete<BR>
Re: How do fuel tanks work?<BR>
Re: Food Sources<BR>
Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
Language Problems in the 3I (was: Re: Violent Outlet)<BR>
RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Academic Adventure Seeds<BR>
Universe<BR>
Re: politics<BR>
Re: Wild blue claims<BR>
HELP! I have problems with FF&S2<BR>
re: Justice<BR>
Travshorts II<BR>
re: Justice<BR>
Re: politics<BR>
Nuclear Dampers again<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
Re: Academic Adventure Seeds (was Re: Wild Blue Claims)<BR>
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 22:09:53 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Academic Adventure Seeds<BR>
<BR>
On 11/07/99 at 09:55 PM,  "Chad Russell" <mindbreaker@unforgettable.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>Eris Reddoch wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> He doesn't even *know* that the area where the library may be is<BR>
>> dominated by a humophobic (it *should* be called homophobic,<BR>
>> but that has taken on another meaning) Vargr culture.<BR>
<BR>
>Maybe we want to use the term "anthrophobic" for this case?<BR>
<BR>
Good idea...<BR>
<BR>
Well, as I understand it anthro refers to "man."  So, assuming we<BR>
limit the meaning of man to "human" it would work.  <g><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 00:21:37 -0500<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Software Request <BR>
<BR>
> Hey there Kevin, imagine this : in this day of Win95, I STILL use Qedit..:)<BR>
> Email me and I'll zip it right up for you.<BR>
<BR>
Thanxx dood!!!!!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
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tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
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                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:54:30 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Fiery is (finally) complete<BR>
<BR>
Little bastard took longer than I thought, to do it right anyway :)  As soon<BR>
as I finished it, I did a shot for the TML & Trav3D before I had to go back<BR>
to work on another "set" to do more "Starports" shots in.<BR>
<BR>
Warning:  The shot's at 1024x768 and 80% quality (they're usually 640x480<BR>
@~70%).  That's 'cause it's destined for being my wallpaper :)<BR>
<BR>
Best,<BR>
Jesse<BR>
jdegraff@pacbell.net<BR>
http://www.vision-forge-graphics.com/jesse/traveller/trav_welcome.htm<BR>
"Striving to Produce a Better (Illustrated) Traveller Universe"  (tm)<BR>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:55:01 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: How do fuel tanks work?<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> As the fuel is used in a ships fuel tank, what goes in its place?<BR>
><BR>
> If air is used then it would have to be generated, or air pressure would fall<BR>
> dramatically. <BR>
><BR>
> Vacuum would cause the remaining fuel to boil.<BR>
<BR>
You pump out liquid, and some of the remaining fuel vaporizes to<BR>
fill the space. <BR>
<BR>
That's how it works in current LH2 tanks, and there's no reason for<BR>
ones in the future to be any different.<BR>
<BR>
Well, actually, there are some setups that pressurize the tank with<BR>
helium gas. But that's because most current vehicles have tanks that<BR>
are so lightweight that they'll collapse without positive pressure.<BR>
That's not the case with tanks in Traveller ships.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:38:33 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Food Sources<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Benyamene' ZeAbe' Akella <xrp@sierratel.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 4:07 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Food Sources<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Via electronic medium on 11/7/99 1:25 AM, Leonard Erickson at<BR>
> shadow@krypton.rain.com wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > Guinea pigs are a food animal in South America (especially Peru). And<BR>
> > they've been proposed for space colnies.<BR>
><BR>
> Yes they are, but my family used to raise them for research and they are<BR>
not<BR>
> very meaty. But they multiply quickly. Probably taste like chicken.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Or antelope?<BR>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:25:38 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
>On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:04:32 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
><tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>>How much does it cost to ship Coke overseas?  I am dreadfully allergic to<BR>
corn, and yes, that is what is in Coca-Cola here.  (I love lamb chops, and<BR>
Australia is how close to Japan?  Hmmm.... wonder if Hiroshi could be<BR>
persuaded to do music promotions in Australia.  Probably not, sigh.)<BR>
>><BR>
>Kiri, just stock up once a year around Passover - when the Coke<BR>
>is marked 'Kosher l'Pesach' (in Hebrew), it's made with sugar,<BR>
>not corn syrup.  IIRC, Sephardic Jews consider corn and corn<BR>
>products to be chometz.<BR>
><BR>
Thanks to everyone (Jeff was just one) who mailed me about this.<BR>
<BR>
I have just one question.  I can't read Hebrew.  How can I recognize what<BR>
this looks like?<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan            93!              Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside<BR>
of everyone, is sacred somewhere.  There's a deity out<BR>
there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest<BR>
side, disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.<BR>
It's all about giving yourself permission."<BR>
                                                    -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:15:28 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Language Problems in the 3I (was: Re: Violent Outlet)<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Simon wrote:<BR>
>Its safest to stay in the spaceport bars than risk<BR>
>a fight when ordering two beers.<BR>
<BR>
File under "Things Every Scout Should Know":<BR>
<BR>
#1: You must know, in at least ten alien languages, the following<BR>
    phrase:<BR>
<BR>
    "I will have two beers, my friend is paying".<BR>
<BR>
;-)<BR>
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http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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of the author and do not necessarily represent, in whole or in part, the<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:13:51 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson asked:<BR>
>On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Mark Preston wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> The weapons ban in the UK would be considered extreme by many other<BR>
>> countries. It is far easier to say what is permitted than what is banned -<BR>
>> for instance we are not permitted to carry clubs.<BR>
><BR>
>And the difference between a club and a cricket-bat is...? Or have they<BR>
>finally outlawed cricket for the evil galaxy-wide-banned habit that it<BR>
>is? ;-)<BR>
<BR>
The UK law as I understand it, is something like:<BR>
<BR>
A cricket bat being taken home from a crickect bat shop or being <BR>
conveyed towards a place where cricket might be expected to be played<BR>
(with that bat) or being used at such a venue is a cricket bat.<BR>
<BR>
At other times it is an offensive weapon and thus posession is illegal.<BR>
<BR>
In fact, just being a spectator at a cricket match would not entitle you<BR>
to take one into the ground. Though fortunately, the police are fairly<BR>
lax on that bit of the law, since they regularly let the England team in.<BR>
<BR>
;-)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
- --<BR>
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/<BR>
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.<BR>
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:54:04 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Terry Mixon <tlmixon@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Academic Adventure Seeds<BR>
<BR>
- --- Chad Russell <mindbreaker@unforgettable.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Eris Reddoch wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > He doesn't even *know* that the area where the library may be<BR>
> > is dominated by a humophobic (it *should* be called homophobic,<BR>
> > but that has taken on another meaning) Vargr culture.<BR>
<BR>
> Chad Russell wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
> Maybe we want to use the term "anthrophobic" for this case?<BR>
 <BR>
Or just leave it to the academic to use the right word not even <BR>
realizing the PC's thought it meant something entirely different.<BR>
<BR>
- --------<BR>
<BR>
PC group huddled behind hasty cover with Vargr bullets whining <BR>
overhead. <BR>
<BR>
<academic> "I warned you this might happen! Why didn't you take <BR>
better precautions?!?"<BR>
<BR>
<PC> "Warned us? You didn't say they might attack us!"<BR>
<BR>
<academic> "Of course I did! What do *you* think homophobic means?"<BR>
<BR>
- -------<BR>
<BR>
Terry<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:00:03 +1000<BR>
From: "cjbrain" <cjbrain@bigpond.com><BR>
Subject: Universe<BR>
<BR>
Are there any old Universe players out there that could drop me a line?<BR>
<BR>
cjbrain@bigpond.com<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 09:58:52 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: politics<BR>
<BR>
Black ICE <wombat@premier.net> asked:<BR>
<BR>
>BTW, has anyone tried working out a simplified Travelleresque combat<BR>
>game using Lego Space, ala "Evil Stevie's Lego Pirate Game"?<BR>
<BR>
I think there's something on the Lego Site (probably only LegoRPG though)<BR>
<BR>
Personally, I wouldn't even consider it unless it had spring loaded<BR>
laser cannons firing lego light quanta.<BR>
<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
<BR>
(Who took a Lego Pirates Game with spring loaded cannons to the<BR>
 UK Model Engineer Exhibition at least 6 years ago)<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:51:29 -0600<BR>
From: tim@premier.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Wild blue claims<BR>
<BR>
Bruce replies <BR>
<BR>
> <BR>
> Sorry to burst your bubble there, but the military history of the <BR>
Civil<BR>
> War is predominantly of interest to military historians. As <BR>
iomportant as<BR>
> the actions of Grant, Sherman, Lee, Jackson et. al. were, they <BR>
were of<BR>
> secondary importance to the overall picture.<BR>
> <BR>
SNIP<BR>
> <BR>
> Sherman, for example, is far better remembered for his 'march to <BR>
the sea'<BR>
> in social and political terms than in military ones. While his <BR>
campaign<BR>
> did hasten the wars end, to this day, over a hundred and thirty <BR>
years<BR>
> later, he is reviled in parts of this country as a genocidal monster,<BR>
> hardly the picture we get in our history books as children. Whihc <BR>
is more<BR>
> important in it's impact on human society?<BR>
<BR>
Interesting side note Stonewall Jackson wanted to do the same to <BR>
the North.  And yes Sharman is reviled, espically here at LSU <BR>
which he helpstart.  We have his desk tucked away in the <BR>
basenment of the Library, thats all the sign we have of him.<BR>
<BR>
Snip<BR>
> > <BR>
> > I HATE the whole social history movement. While I think it's <BR>
very important <BR>
> > to study the "little man/woman" to get the whole picture of <BR>
history, I reject <BR>
> > the notion that one shouldn't study the movers and shakers <BR>
(i.e., the rulers, <BR>
> > leaders, etc.). This is just 1960s backlash against the <BR>
"establishment". The <BR>
> > problem with social history, is that until democracy, the little <BR>
man/woman <BR>
> > didn't DO a whole hell of a lot. It's more interesting to study the <BR>
leaders.<BR>
> <BR>
> The problem with studying the 'movers and shakers' is that we <BR>
tend to<BR>
> mostly have records written either by them, or by people with <BR>
axes to<BR>
> grind against them, and either is unlikely to be very reflective of<BR>
> reality. However, historical accounts of those unimportant little <BR>
people<BR>
> are more likely to be factual, precisely because they didn't count, <BR>
and no<BR>
> one risked prison or worse writing some version of the truth.<BR>
> <BR>
Being trained in Social History I want to point out that a good <BR>
Social Historian combines both the role of the leaders and the little <BR>
people to show the whole picture.  All to often though historians fail <BR>
to combine the two or take on two much.  A modern (ie 1990)well <BR>
writen account would pick a time period and or region to study.  <BR>
They would examine how the rullers and ruled then interact over a <BR>
key issue.  Good example of of massive soical histories are works <BR>
by Moore and his followers such as Charles Tilly.  Most of their <BR>
works focuse of the evoluation of the state or revolutions.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Snip<BR>
<BR>
> > Ob Trav: Imagine studying the 3I by studying how the lives of <BR>
groat farmers <BR>
> > are effected by the civil wars, and NOT studying the barracks <BR>
emperors.<BR>
> <BR>
> Seen from that perspective, the Civil War was some interesting <BR>
news that<BR>
> happened on the trivid, or to your neighbor Eneri down the road, <BR>
whose<BR>
> nephew was in the Navy and lost during a battle.<BR>
> <BR>
goat farmers may be forced to pay exter taxes or server in the <BR>
millita/.<BR>
<BR>
> Canonically, about _all_ the the Civil War affected was whose <BR>
butt was in<BR>
> the the Iridium Throne, and whose fleets were in battle. To the <BR>
people<BR>
> involved it was a Big Thing, but to the greater mass of the <BR>
Imperium, it<BR>
> wasn't. <BR>
> <BR>
> That it was predominantly political maneuvering is made clear by <BR>
the fact<BR>
> that the outlying polities, such as the Vargr, Solomani and <BR>
Zhodani didn't<BR>
> take advantage of the 'unrest' in the Imperium, because there <BR>
really<BR>
> wasn't all that much unrest...the Imperial bureaucracy <BR>
continmued to<BR>
> function just fine, as did the majority of the Navy...MOST fleets <BR>
stayed<BR>
> on station most of the time, loyal to the Emperor or Empress, <BR>
whoever he<BR>
> or she was that week.<BR>
> <BR>
This being the case then none of the sides in the<BR>
 civil war have the ability to effect much change but what about the <BR>
goat farmers.  Have we seen how the attemptes by the contenders <BR>
to gain political, military, economic, or social influnces worked out.  <BR>
If the fleet and the bureacucracy stayed out then the abilities of <BR>
these leaders to gain local (sectoral-system) control becomes all <BR>
that more important.  <BR>
<BR>
Now lets put the goat farmer on a subsector<BR>
captial with a large millitia.  Now the goat famer sales his goat's <BR>
milk to the down port.  A contender comes in takes the down port <BR>
and taxes all goods.  The goat farmer and every other mearchant <BR>
goes into rebellion (maybe not open) and invenite a rival to come to <BR>
the system.  Thus the civil war comes to our poor goat farmer.<BR>
<BR>
If you dont see this happing read Tilly's When History Meets <BR>
Sociology. (something like this)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Sorry I just got done doing some of that social history for class.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Tim Reynolds<BR>
tim@premier.net <BR>
www.premier.net/~tim <BR>
225-388-8883<BR>
- ------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
Getting an education was a bit like a communicable <BR>
sexual disease.  It made you unsuitable for <BR>
a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on.<BR>
<BR>
Terry Pratchett <BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:01:21 +0100<BR>
From: "Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm" <jenry023@student.liu.se><BR>
Subject: HELP! I have problems with FF&S2<BR>
<BR>
I have a question about FF&S2. The armor values it generates are not<BR>
compatible with the T4 spaceship rules (they are way too high), and<BR>
certainly not with the example ships provided in the rulebook and in teh<BR>
Starships supplement.<BR>
<BR>
I have a conversion formula from FF&S2 to Starships, but I am not sure<BR>
it's correct. Anyway:<BR>
<BR>
* Divide the FF&S2 armor value by the square root of 2<BR>
* Look up the result in the USP Conversion chart from Starships.    <BR>
Extrapolate the given values to one decimal.<BR>
* Multiply the resulting value by 10<BR>
<BR>
The problem is that according to FF&S2, the minimum armor value for a<BR>
spaceship is 20. With the conversion system above, this corresponds to a<BR>
value of 7, which is a lot higher than what seems to be logical (there<BR>
are a lot of armor 0 ships, and the Destroyer only has an armor value of<BR>
10).<BR>
<BR>
What am I doing wrong?<BR>
<BR>
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm<BR>
 Linkoeping, Sweden<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:19:25 -0500<BR>
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
Subject: re: Justice<BR>
<BR>
Ian Ferguson wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>><BR>
	I am unfamiliar with the Vargr Charisma and Zhodani<BR>
	mageocracy systems, but I have always figured that a rich<BR>
	character with megacredits can still have low SoS (picture<BR>
	Al Capone).<BR>
>>>>>>>><BR>
The Vargr character generation system has the far more volatile <BR>
Charisma taking the place (for the most part) of Social Standing,<BR>
at least in Vargr culture...though an Imperial Vargr would almost<BR>
certainly have an Imperial social standing as well.<BR>
<BR>
"Mageocracy" = rulership by people with magical powers. Not the<BR>
most accurate term, but social standing in the Zhodani consulate<BR>
is strongly linked to posession of psionic powers, and the strength<BR>
of those powers.<BR>
<BR>
For a counter-example of Al Capone, look at John Kennedy senior.<BR>
The basis of his family fortune was his career as a smuggler during<BR>
the American prohibition era, but he was later (after he "retired" from<BR>
his stint in the "Other" career) able to turn his wealth into a high social<BR>
standing. Had Al Capone retired from his career in the "Other" profession,<BR>
and relocated out of the jurisdiction of the American justice system,<BR>
he could probably have done the same. Considering the social<BR>
circles some gangsters moved in - Hollywood, Las Vegas, etc. - there<BR>
are many examples of gangsters who would be rated with quite high<BR>
(if very vulnerable) social standings, even while at the height of their<BR>
careers.<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:56:19 -0000<BR>
From: "MJ Dougherty" <martinjd@globalnet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Travshorts II<BR>
<BR>
I've had a number of responses so far to my request for Traveller short<BR>
stories (3-7000 words, any Canon traveller setting, etc) There's room for<BR>
more.<BR>
<BR>
The final date for submissions is Jan 1st 2000, but I hope to have space<BR>
allocated before then. The moral is: the sooner you come up with a query,<BR>
and the sooner you submit your tale, the more chance you have of making this<BR>
volume.<BR>
<BR>
That's right... if there's demand - and content - there will be other<BR>
volumes to follow.<BR>
<BR>
Query me for details.<BR>
<BR>
MJD<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:49:10 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Terry Mixon <tlmixon@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: re: Justice<BR>
<BR>
- --- Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> "Mageocracy" = rulership by people with magical powers. Not the<BR>
> most accurate term, but social standing in the Zhodani consulate<BR>
> is strongly linked to posession of psionic powers, and the strength<BR>
> of those powers.<BR>
<BR>
So would it be a "Psiocracy"?<BR>
<BR>
Terry<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:02:59 -0600 <BR>
From: "Smart, David J (David)" <dasmart@lucent.com><BR>
Subject: Re: politics<BR>
<BR>
Kiri-san posted:<BR>
><BR>
>>> Ah Ha! But that's why we are developing truth machines, and a cadre of<BR>
>excellent psychologists who understand that those who cannot put the rights<BR>
>of others before themselves are suffering from intense egomania. (Or was it<BR>
>eggo-mania?)<BR>
>>><BR>
>You wanna reprogram my brain just cause I won't let you steal my damn<BR>
>waffle?  Leggo my Eggo, you bastich!<BR>
><BR>
>>If you did not blind yourself to the powers of the mind, you would not<BR>
need<BR>
>machines to reveal the truth.<BR>
>><BR>
>The truth about this bastich's incredible self-aggrandizement could hardly<BR>
>have been revealed without the help of this toaster here!  Now gimme my<BR>
damn<BR>
>waffle back!!!<BR>
><BR>
>Kiri<BR>
<BR>
SPLOOOORTT! <cough, cough, gag><BR>
<BR>
Oh gawd, please stop!<BR>
<BR>
Diet soda up the nose *hurts*...not to mention how it looks on my keyboard<BR>
after the sidetrip. (ewwwwwwww)<BR>
<BR>
David<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:11:08 -0600<BR>
From: "Joseph R. Dietrich" <yikes@evansville.net><BR>
Subject: Nuclear Dampers again<BR>
<BR>
Just to make things even more difficult, the MT Referee's manual that<BR>
nuclear dampers are as effective defense against disintegrators as meson<BR>
screens are against meson guns.<BR>
<BR>
How do you focus a node-antinode on an incoming disintegrator beam?<BR>
<BR>
Hmm. Maybe disintegrators just shoot AD&D-style Spheres of Annihilation at<BR>
their targets. ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Ciao,<BR>
<BR>
Joseph R. Dietrich<BR>
yikes@evansville.net<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:43:57 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
<BR>
From: "Micheal D. Peters" <Travelleri@home.com><BR>
<BR>
> In Traveller, try Fate of the Skyraiders. Giant asteroid ship, etc. Oh and<BR>
> Judges Guide did one too (Nowhere near as good!) Drakne Station i think.<BR>
<BR>
Please tell me about this "Fate of the Skyraiders" adventure.  Which <BR>
edition was it for?  Who put it out?  How would you rate it on a one <BR>
to ten scale, ten being the best?<BR>
<BR>
> Also didn't Behind the Claw alude to a group of RoM era stl ships heading<BR>
> toward the Marches?<BR>
<BR>
Yes, they did mention it.  Still no word on whether it's going to be <BR>
used for official stuff, but most likely it's out there for us to <BR>
play with.  Sounds like it would fit the scenario quite well, <BR>
although I can't really see the Leader of the Cons completing the <BR>
trip back to Terra without at least some serious consideration on his <BR>
capacities to impact his former homeworld.  But it is food for <BR>
thought....<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Jason<BR>
<BR>
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(512)458-7111 ext. 3375<BR>
<BR>
Internet Address: jason.kemp@tdh.state.tx.us<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:58:16 -0500<BR>
From: Kurt Feltenberger <kurt@blazenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
<BR>
At 09:43 AM 11/08/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>From: "Micheal D. Peters" <Travelleri@home.com><BR>
><BR>
> > In Traveller, try Fate of the Skyraiders. Giant asteroid ship, etc. Oh and<BR>
> > Judges Guide did one too (Nowhere near as good!) Drakne Station i think.<BR>
><BR>
>Please tell me about this "Fate of the Skyraiders" adventure.  Which<BR>
>edition was it for?  Who put it out?  How would you rate it on a one<BR>
>to ten scale, ten being the best?<BR>
<BR>
The Keith's did it.  Nothing more need be said, it's an 11.  It was an old <BR>
FASA product, and was of the highest quality.<BR>
<BR>
Kurt Feltenberger<BR>
<BR>
"To our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations,<BR>
    may she always be in the right, but our country, right or wrong!"<BR>
      ~Stephen Decatur<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
mailto:kurt@blazenet.net<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:21:02 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Terry Mixon <tlmixon@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea<BR>
<BR>
- --- Jason Kemp <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> > In Traveller, try Fate of the Skyraiders. Giant asteroid ship, etc.<BR>
> Oh and<BR>
> > Judges Guide did one too (Nowhere near as good!) Drakne Station i<BR>
> think.<BR>
> <BR>
> Please tell me about this "Fate of the Skyraiders" adventure.  Which <BR>
> edition was it for?  Who put it out?  How would you rate it on a one <BR>
> to ten scale, ten being the best?<BR>
<BR>
Part of a trilogy put out by FASA. Legend of the Sky Raiders, Trail <BR>
of the Sky Raiders, and Fate of the Sky Raiders. It was for CT. I don't<BR>
remember many details except that I thought it was one of the best <BR>
sets of adventure modules for CT I had seen. Very detailed. I don't <BR>
have them at hand and can't recall the plot in any real detail so I<BR>
will let someone else answer that part. I rate it, for what I remember <BR>
of my impressions, as a 9 or 10.<BR>
 <BR>
Terry<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:01:07 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Academic Adventure Seeds (was Re: Wild Blue Claims)<BR>
<BR>
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Eris Reddoch wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> On 11/07/99 at 12:42 PM,  Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> said:<BR>
> <BR>
> >> << You seem to have quite an axe to grind on this point. >><BR>
>  <BR>
> >> I do.  My undergrad degree was in American and European History,<BR>
> >> I wanted it in military history, but couldn't find a program.<BR>
> <BR>
> Yep, but that was my experience 30 years ago too.<BR>
> <BR>
> >Sorry to burst your bubble there, but the military history of the<BR>
> >Civil War is predominantly of interest to military historians. As<BR>
> >iomportant as the actions of Grant, Sherman, Lee, Jackson et. al.<BR>
> >were, they were of secondary importance to the overall picture.<BR>
> <BR>
> Certainly, and I don't disagree that the study of political and<BR>
> culture history is most important for the general student...and the<BR>
> general public, *but* I was going to be a history major and could<BR>
> not find *any* interest in military history at 3 separate<BR>
> universities.  I was advised to try joining ROTC by the only person<BR>
> in the history department that offered any positive advice at all.<BR>
<BR>
30 years ago? Hmmm...oh, at the _HEIGHT_ of antiwar sentiment? I wonder<BR>
why you got any help at all...:-/<BR>
<BR>
I'm not denying that political trends affect academics...I'm just tired of<BR>
the oft-repeated myth (lately) that academics are uniformly a seething<BR>
nest of anti-white, anti-male communist liberals. <BR>
<BR>
In my experience, academics in general are a seething nest of stubborn<BR>
individuals with tenure so they don't care WHAT others think...<BR>
<BR>
> Ob Trav, think about academic careers and academics as patrons...<BR>
> <BR>
>   The party is approached by a man/woman who wants to hire a<BR>
>   ship/crew/bodyguards for an expedition to system X.<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
Snip other fates-worse-than-death (except that bit about Bonzi...might be<BR>
nice to visit the ol' homestead ;-)<BR>
<BR>
>   4.  The patron is an archaeologist who is sure he has found the<BR>
>       location of an Ancient Library on a TL4 world from his study<BR>
>       of old archive records, but needs to go there to confirm it<BR>
>       before he can risk writing it up for publication.  He doesn't<BR>
>       even *know* that the area where the library may be is<BR>
>       dominated by a humophobic (it *should* be called homophobic,<BR>
>       but that has taken on another meaning) Vargr culture.<BR>
<BR>
Ahhh, so THAT'S what Arvitis is doing!! All we have to do is make sure he<BR>
remembers us when the time vcomes...;-><BR>
<BR>
Should we start worrying, Eris?<BR>
<BR>
> >For instance, imagine what the data warehouse of a megacorp like<BR>
> >Sharushid contains within it... the purchasing patterns and intimate<BR>
> >detail on the lives of trillions and trillions of customers reaching<BR>
> >back millenia...<BR>
> <BR>
> ...and what are the odds that Sharushid would let any outsiders have<BR>
> access to *that* data?  Authorized access anyway...<BR>
<BR>
Hmmm...stuff like industry-academic partnerships? Stuff that old may not<BR>
be of any interest to them...it's only been preserved becasue the first<BR>
sysadmin set a policy of maintaining _complete_ backups, ohhh 3000 years<BR>
ago. ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
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